http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/ Les 25 derniers commentaires publiés sur le blog "Le blog de Lucien S.A Oulahbib" fr http://fdata.over-blog.net/2/50/46/80/avatar-blog-1076555397-tmpphpmIUzlh.jpeg http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/ Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:54:30 +0100 Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:54:30 +0100 Over-blog.com RSS 2.0 Engine Politique http://www.rssboard.org/rss-specification/ http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-litterature-nigeria-irak-46280287-comments.html#comment57811589 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 12:33:26 +0100 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-litterature-nigeria-irak-46280287-comments.html#comment57811589 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-litterature-nigeria-irak-46280287-comments.html#comment57769288 Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:46:42 +0100 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-litterature-nigeria-irak-46280287-comments.html#comment57769288 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-le-creux-de-la-vague-45886752-comments.html#comment57383691 Aujourd'hui on pousse des cris parce que la mer à osé monter.
Ce n'est tout de même pas la première fois que cela est. La forêt de scilly dans la baie du mont St Michel n'a t'elle pas disparu de cette manière. Une tempête redoutable au moment d'une marée de grande amplitude. Et là la mer est restée. Tout le littoral avait été changé
Mais, c'était il y a longtemps, alors on ne regarde pas et surtout on oublie. On ne peut faire entrer ces faits dans le schéma voulu aujourd'hui. Des légendes sans doute. ]]> Tue, 02 Mar 2010 09:50:14 +0100 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-le-creux-de-la-vague-45886752-comments.html#comment57383691 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-la-grisaille-s-accentue-en-fran-44915594-comments.html#comment57382763 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 09:35:06 +0100 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-la-grisaille-s-accentue-en-fran-44915594-comments.html#comment57382763 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-la-grisaille-s-accentue-en-fran-44915594-comments.html#comment56623352
» 02/17/2010 14:29
http://www.asianews.it/news-en/The-Algerian-Church-has-the-same-right-to-spread-its-message-%28as-Muslims-do%29-17654.html
ISLAM - ALGERIA
The Algerian Church has the same right to spread its message (as Muslims do)
by Samir Khalil Samir
Algeria’s Minister of Religious Affairs is incensed when the bishop of Algiers calls for the repeal of laws that limit freedom of conscience and worship in his country, where a Protestant church was recently set on fire. The minister tells him to do what his French predecessors did for years, namely prevent Muslims from converting to Christianity.

Rome (AsiaNews) – Abdallah Ghoulamallah, Algerian Minister for Religious Affairs, organised on 10-11 February a conference on the topic “Freedom of Worship, between Divine Legislation and Positive Law”. It is important to note the use of expressions like “freedom of worship” in lieu of “freedom of conscience” and “divine legislation”, which refers to “Sharia” or “Islamic Law”.

The ministry invited the four bishops of Algeria to the event; they are Ghaleb Bader, archbishop of Algiers; Alphonse Georger, bishop of Oran; Claude Rault, bishop of Laghouat-Ghardaia; and Paul Desfarges, bishop of Constantine-Hippone.

He also invited members of the clergy from France like the Archbishop of Lyon Philippe Barbarin, the bishop of Créteil Michel Santier, who is in charge of inter-faith dialogue, Fr Christophe Roucou, in charge of the SRI (Service des Relations avec l’Islam), and Rev Claude Baty, president of the Fédération Protestante de France, plus two friends of Muslims, Fathers Michel Lelong and Christian Delorme. Invited at the last moment, the two bishops could not make it. Other prominent figures from different backgrounds were also invited.

The purpose of the event was to show that Algeria was a tolerant country.

The address by the archbishop of Algiers

Jordanian-born Mgr Ghaleb Moussa Abdallah Bader was ordained archbishop of Algiers on 17 July 2008. He holds a Doctorate in Canon Law and one in Philosophy from the Angelicum. His main research was on the great 10th century Arab Christian philosopher Yahya Ibn ‘Adi. He is familiar with the system of religious tolerance in place in the Kingdom of Jordan. In a speech full of nuances, he spoke about Ordinance Nº 06-02 bis, which strongly limits non-Muslim worship, expressing a desire to see things get “back to normal”. Such legislation might be justified under exceptional circumstances, he said, but that was not the case in Algeria. “Why go back to a normal situation? Is it not time to review, if not repeal this regulation?”

We know that for more than three years the right of Christians to worship has come under tight government control. The minister claims that Christians are not the target, but in fact, they are the ones who are affected by it. Recently, on the night of Saturday 9 January and Sunday 10 January, the Tafat Protestant Church in Tizi Ouzou was ransacked and then set on fire. Despite complaints by Reverend Krireche, the authorities did nothing.

On 25 January, the country’s four Catholic bishops said that they “were profoundly saddened” and “very concerned by the obstacles put up here and there against Christian worship.”

“They cannot hide their outrage,” they said, “over the profanation of Christian symbols. They are equally outraged when they hear about the profanation of symbols of the Muslim religion in this or that country around the world. They want to express their compassion and feelings of goodwill towards their brothers and sisters who have been attacked in their religious life. They are confident and continue to hope that the path of conviviality and profound respect among all will continue.”

The reaction of the Minister of Religious Affairs

Bishop Ghaleb Bader’s address greatly upset Minister Ghoulamallah. In his speech, he praised the bishops of Algiers who were in office before and after independence (Card Léon-Etienne Duval and Mgr Henri Teissier), “who never questioned [Algeria’s] reality and laws, who were close to the Algerian people.” He added, “I hope the archbishop who comes from an Arab country will learn from Teissier, who is still with us, and ask him for advice on what Algerians can and cannot accept”.

We cannot but be taken aback to see a minister lecture a bishop, even a new one, and ask him to follow his predecessors. Of course, a lot of forethought is needed in such situations, but one must be quite clear in upholding fundamental principles. At the same time, we can understand that French bishops might have adopted a different attitude than an Arab bishop, given France’s colonial past.

Final thoughts

Often, a distinction is drawn between Catholics and Protestants, with the latter accused of “proselytising”. Even if that were true, there is no comparison between proselytising done by Protestants and that done by Muslims, not only towards Christian minorities in Muslim nations, but also in traditionally Christian nations. What is unacceptable are the very human means that a propagandist may use to spread his faith, taking advantage of others’ weaknesses. Yet, if all we do is “propose” our faith without ever imposing it, the more so if we offer to share our happiness with others, then that cannot be construed to be proselytising. In any event, it is not up to the state to legislate in the matter.

It is high time that everyone be allowed to enjoy freedom of conscience, not just freedom of worship (under external control). Islam claims to be a “tolerant religion”; some even claim it is the most tolerant religion, arguing that Christianity forced non-Christians to convert . . . citing the inquisition and colonialism as evidence. In doing so, they forget for example that the French state forbade Christian Churches to convert Muslims to Christianity for almost a century.

In practice, there is no Muslim state that grants Muslims and non-Muslims the same degree of freedom. Because politics and religion are interwoven with one another in Islamic tradition (and this despite claims by some Western intellectuals that Islam is more secular than other religions), the state is an agent of propaganda for Islam through the media as well as its laws and regulations.

In Algeria (as elsewhere), the Churches, and more broadly Christians, simply want to be left alone. They want the same right to announce the Gospel to anyone willing to listen to their message as Muslims have the right to announce the Qur‘an to anyone willing to listen to theirs. It is good that the bishop of Algiers, following the example of Pope Benedict XVI, had the courage to tell everyone, quietly but with resolve and clarity, that freedom of religion remains as fundamental a right as freedom of conscience and the equality of citizens. ]]> Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:12:30 +0100 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-la-grisaille-s-accentue-en-fran-44915594-comments.html#comment56623352 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-la-grisaille-s-accentue-en-fran-44915594-comments.html#comment56466090 les Quick Hallal obligatoires et les Baisers interdits en Egypte." ]]> Sun, 14 Feb 2010 23:04:05 +0100 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-la-grisaille-s-accentue-en-fran-44915594-comments.html#comment56466090 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-la-grisaille-s-accentue-en-fran-44915594-comments.html#comment56445424 Je crains Lucien Oulabib que nous avons affaire désormais à un état grave d'un psychose paranoïaque - affective -islamophile.
Bien à vous et merci pour votre résistance contre l'islamophilie. ]]> Sun, 14 Feb 2010 17:49:45 +0100 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-la-grisaille-s-accentue-en-fran-44915594-comments.html#comment56445424 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-comment-artl-manipule-l-agression-de-l-imam-de-drancynglatte-43695325-comments.html#comment55534242 Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:04:00 +0100 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-comment-artl-manipule-l-agression-de-l-imam-de-drancynglatte-43695325-comments.html#comment55534242 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-comment-artl-manipule-l-agression-de-l-imam-de-drancynglatte-43695325-comments.html#comment55355563 Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:55:32 +0100 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-comment-artl-manipule-l-agression-de-l-imam-de-drancynglatte-43695325-comments.html#comment55355563 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-appel-a-manifester-pacifiquement-devant-les-mosquees-43058965-comments.html#comment54718966 Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:19:07 +0100 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-appel-a-manifester-pacifiquement-devant-les-mosquees-43058965-comments.html#comment54718966 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-appel-a-manifester-pacifiquement-devant-les-mosquees-43058965-comments.html#comment54717515 Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:48:42 +0100 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-appel-a-manifester-pacifiquement-devant-les-mosquees-43058965-comments.html#comment54717515 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-appel-a-manifester-pacifiquement-devant-les-mosquees-43058965-comments.html#comment54717235 Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:43:09 +0100 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-appel-a-manifester-pacifiquement-devant-les-mosquees-43058965-comments.html#comment54717235 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-un-finkielkraut-bien-mou-face-a-un-badiou-hysterique-42072526-comments.html#comment54026557 C'est pour cela qu'il est invité : les journalistes se garderont bien d'inviter un Zemmour face à un fasciste de ce type : il pourrait riposter !
Comme lorsque sur arte, on invitait un jésuite universitaire de plus de 80 ans face à un Duquesne mentant comme un arracheur de dents et soutenu par la présentatrice. Se faisant sans cesse couper la parole, le jésuite a fini par quitter le plateau, laissant la journaliste gérer un "débat" où il n'y avait plus qu'un seul interlocuteur.
Mais peu d'intellectuels humanistes possèdent les armes de la rhétorique, qui frôle souvent la mauvaise foi, ce qui est contraire à leur tradition intellectuelle. ]]> Tue, 05 Jan 2010 14:48:22 +0100 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-un-finkielkraut-bien-mou-face-a-un-badiou-hysterique-42072526-comments.html#comment54026557 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-comprehension-42176138-comments.html#comment53995414 Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:35:27 +0100 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-comprehension-42176138-comments.html#comment53995414 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-comprehension-42176138-comments.html#comment53992785 Vous me pardonnerez de n'être pas plus disert sur le fond que je partage. ]]> Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:55:20 +0100 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-comprehension-42176138-comments.html#comment53992785 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-comprehension-42176138-comments.html#comment53959653 Mon, 04 Jan 2010 13:20:28 +0100 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-comprehension-42176138-comments.html#comment53959653 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-comprehension-42176138-comments.html#comment53957339 Mon, 04 Jan 2010 12:36:56 +0100 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-comprehension-42176138-comments.html#comment53957339 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-un-finkielkraut-bien-mou-face-a-un-badiou-hysterique-42072526-comments.html#comment53923967 Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:08:52 +0100 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-un-finkielkraut-bien-mou-face-a-un-badiou-hysterique-42072526-comments.html#comment53923967 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-un-finkielkraut-bien-mou-face-a-un-badiou-hysterique-42072526-comments.html#comment53921896 Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:34:40 +0100 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-un-finkielkraut-bien-mou-face-a-un-badiou-hysterique-42072526-comments.html#comment53921896 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-un-finkielkraut-bien-mou-face-a-un-badiou-hysterique-42072526-comments.html#comment53896241 Sun, 03 Jan 2010 12:06:29 +0100 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-un-finkielkraut-bien-mou-face-a-un-badiou-hysterique-42072526-comments.html#comment53896241 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-comprehension-42176138-comments.html#comment53896084 Sun, 03 Jan 2010 12:03:57 +0100 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-comprehension-42176138-comments.html#comment53896084 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-comprehension-42176138-comments.html#comment53894914 Amitié
Menahem ]]> Sun, 03 Jan 2010 11:46:11 +0100 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-comprehension-42176138-comments.html#comment53894914 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-un-finkielkraut-bien-mou-face-a-un-badiou-hysterique-42072526-comments.html#comment53744412 Très bonne fin d'année et à l'année prochaine ]]> Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:55:13 +0100 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-un-finkielkraut-bien-mou-face-a-un-badiou-hysterique-42072526-comments.html#comment53744412 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-un-finkielkraut-bien-mou-face-a-un-badiou-hysterique-42072526-comments.html#comment53737931 Thu, 31 Dec 2009 10:47:43 +0100 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-un-finkielkraut-bien-mou-face-a-un-badiou-hysterique-42072526-comments.html#comment53737931 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-un-finkielkraut-bien-mou-face-a-un-badiou-hysterique-42072526-comments.html#comment53734492 Badiou est devenu la nouvelle égérie, à la fois des tribuns du PS en plein Sedan-70, face aux questions essentielles du devenir d'une immigration travaillée par les Frères Musulmans. Il n'y a qu'à écouter Montebourg ou Cambadélis, ancien d'SOS-roue de secours du Mitterandisme post-, mais vrai collabo, artisan d'un lepénisme sur mesure pour mieux discréditer tout ce qui, républicainement parlant, tiendrait encore debout.

Ou encore, des nouvelles minorités d'insurrection BCBG, comme l'incendiaire Houria Bouteldja, tous voiles dehors, qui va tranquillement asséner à Finkielkraut qu'il est d'abord un sioniste professionnel et qu'il fait son métier de lobbying, plutôt que d'énoncer un seul argument honnête qui se tienne.

Ce qui tue à petit feu Alain Finkielkraut, hormis la santé qu'il a perdu, suite aux manigances du Haaretz-Le Monde-Guardian, en faisant de lui le nouveau Le Pen Juif, le nouveau "raciste-nationaliste" anti-banlieues, c'est surtout cette perte de toute probité sur les plateaux, où il n'y a plus de place pour la construction intellectuelle, l'élaboration qui prend le temps de l'explication et du développement fondé. Mais où il faut cogner vite et fort, en soumettant le débat aux règles de l'embuscade de rue en bandes, du racket et de l'escroquerie.
Badiou est une icône à l'étoile faiblissante, mais une icône quand même, sur ses vieux jours, de la voyoucratie pseudo-intelligente qui truste les places dans le brouhaha de la flatterie démaggue des casseurs, des incendiaires de drapeau et des pilleurs polygames d'allocations familiales. Badiou c'est la canaille daltonnienne de papy au coin du feu, dorloté par les infirmières de médecine palliative de la rue d'Ulm, après la chute des statues de Lénine et du Mur de Berlin tout entier sur sa pauvre callebasse, à charge de revanche et courant en chaussons derrière les drapeaux verts, parce qu'il confond Ben Laden et le jeune Karl communard. ]]> Thu, 31 Dec 2009 09:50:48 +0100 http://www.lucien-sa-oulahbib.info/article-un-finkielkraut-bien-mou-face-a-un-badiou-hysterique-42072526-comments.html#comment53734492